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	<title>Comments on: The REAL American Dream (Hint: It&#039;s NOT Owning A House!)</title>
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	<description>Erica Douglass, &#34;temporarily retired&#34; after selling a successful business at age 26, writes thought-provoking blog entries challenging you to change your life and daring you to become more successful.</description>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.erica.biz/2008/the-real-american-dream-hint-its-not-owning-a-house/#comment-141407</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically what I&#039;m reading from these comments is that when you own a home your circumstances better not change in 15 to 30 years, everything stays the same(job,interest rates,property taxes... And Your neighbors don&#039;t foreclose around you and lower the value of your house because they lost there job and couldn&#039;t pay their mortgage too. That&#039;s a lot to think about. Thank you for the in depth article Erica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically what I&#8217;m reading from these comments is that when you own a home your circumstances better not change in 15 to 30 years, everything stays the same(job,interest rates,property taxes&#8230; And Your neighbors don&#8217;t foreclose around you and lower the value of your house because they lost there job and couldn&#8217;t pay their mortgage too. That&#8217;s a lot to think about. Thank you for the in depth article Erica</p>
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		<title>By: Benito Capozzoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benito Capozzoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, it is a very informative article. Thanks a lot, you might like to check our website for BSE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, it is a very informative article. Thanks a lot, you might like to check our website for BSE.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot depends on where you live. Where I am in the UK it&#039;s actually cheaper to buy. My mortgage is around £500, on a modest down payment. For that you&#039;d only be able to rent a grotty bedsit. Also, I&#039;ve overpaid on my mortgage, so I will be due to have my mortgage paid off in 2012 (started paying in 2004) - after which I will be able to live the rest of my life rent free. I am also considering downsizing to an apartment (I don&#039;t really need a house now). So I would be rent-free, with a lump sum to play with. Also houses in this area have performed better than the stock market as an investment. 

One area where I do think renting is a big win is on the freedom front. You can obviously move around a lot more readily if you don&#039;t have to sell your house each time you want to move. I spend a lot of time in South East Asia, and there the only sensible option is to rent - it&#039;s far cheaper, more efficient, and safer than buying.  As I spend time abroad I am considering selling up completely - haven&#039;t decided yet which way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot depends on where you live. Where I am in the UK it&#8217;s actually cheaper to buy. My mortgage is around £500, on a modest down payment. For that you&#8217;d only be able to rent a grotty bedsit. Also, I&#8217;ve overpaid on my mortgage, so I will be due to have my mortgage paid off in 2012 (started paying in 2004) &#8211; after which I will be able to live the rest of my life rent free. I am also considering downsizing to an apartment (I don&#8217;t really need a house now). So I would be rent-free, with a lump sum to play with. Also houses in this area have performed better than the stock market as an investment. </p>
<p>One area where I do think renting is a big win is on the freedom front. You can obviously move around a lot more readily if you don&#8217;t have to sell your house each time you want to move. I spend a lot of time in South East Asia, and there the only sensible option is to rent &#8211; it&#8217;s far cheaper, more efficient, and safer than buying.  As I spend time abroad I am considering selling up completely &#8211; haven&#8217;t decided yet which way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: zoom</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10% interst rate for 20 years. haah. do that for me and i shall buy you your dream house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10% interst rate for 20 years. haah. do that for me and i shall buy you your dream house.</p>
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		<title>By: Bootstrap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bootstrap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erica,

It seems that you have hit on a hot topic.  This whole discussion reminds me a bit of the saying, &quot;Statistics don&#039;t lie, but statisticians do.&quot;  You can make an argument either way - financially or on the basis of lifestyle.  From an investment standpoint, the reality is - like any asset - there are times when real estate is overpriced according to its value and makes a poor investment and other times it is underpriced.  With that said, I think there are a couple things to point out in your argument:

- The house price appreciatiation is actually applied to the whole house.  So at the end of 20 years you have an asset that you own (part of) worth about $750,000 based on 2% appreciation.
- You say that you need to be able to cover the &quot;whole house payment&quot; even though $900 is actually the amount that you can deduct for taxes each month.  Therefore you reason that you should actually be socking away $2000/mo if you rent.  The reality is that you can adjust your withholding and take less taxes from your paycheck.  Or you will simply get a tax refund at the end of the year.  Either way, the actual difference is the $1136/mo you calculated initially. Which won&#039;t add up to nearly the $1 million you calculated
- An assumption of 10% annual growth is very aggresive for your investments
- Finally, if you withdraw 10% from your investments you will find that you will exhaust your funds far quicker than you planned.  If the market returns say 2% in a specific year and you withdraw 10% you have decreased your principal and you will need a higer return in the future to earn it back.  As we know, the markets do not always co-operate with nice even 10% returns (ask anyone invested for the last 10 years).  The generally accepted &quot;safe&quot; withdraw rate is 4%.  This would give you a $40,000 income on $1 million dollars.  Not chump change to be sure, but not what most Bay area people would consider financial freedom either.

I think one good thing to come out of this real estate bubble is the challenge the myth the home ownership is the &quot;right&quot; way to go.  As you are pointing out and so many of the commentors are highlighting, the rent v. own decision is not so clear cut and both have significant pro&#039;s and con&#039;s that need to be fit with each individual&#039;s situation.

Thanks,
Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erica,</p>
<p>It seems that you have hit on a hot topic.  This whole discussion reminds me a bit of the saying, &#8220;Statistics don&#8217;t lie, but statisticians do.&#8221;  You can make an argument either way &#8211; financially or on the basis of lifestyle.  From an investment standpoint, the reality is &#8211; like any asset &#8211; there are times when real estate is overpriced according to its value and makes a poor investment and other times it is underpriced.  With that said, I think there are a couple things to point out in your argument:</p>
<p>- The house price appreciatiation is actually applied to the whole house.  So at the end of 20 years you have an asset that you own (part of) worth about $750,000 based on 2% appreciation.<br />
- You say that you need to be able to cover the &#8220;whole house payment&#8221; even though $900 is actually the amount that you can deduct for taxes each month.  Therefore you reason that you should actually be socking away $2000/mo if you rent.  The reality is that you can adjust your withholding and take less taxes from your paycheck.  Or you will simply get a tax refund at the end of the year.  Either way, the actual difference is the $1136/mo you calculated initially. Which won&#8217;t add up to nearly the $1 million you calculated<br />
- An assumption of 10% annual growth is very aggresive for your investments<br />
- Finally, if you withdraw 10% from your investments you will find that you will exhaust your funds far quicker than you planned.  If the market returns say 2% in a specific year and you withdraw 10% you have decreased your principal and you will need a higer return in the future to earn it back.  As we know, the markets do not always co-operate with nice even 10% returns (ask anyone invested for the last 10 years).  The generally accepted &#8220;safe&#8221; withdraw rate is 4%.  This would give you a $40,000 income on $1 million dollars.  Not chump change to be sure, but not what most Bay area people would consider financial freedom either.</p>
<p>I think one good thing to come out of this real estate bubble is the challenge the myth the home ownership is the &#8220;right&#8221; way to go.  As you are pointing out and so many of the commentors are highlighting, the rent v. own decision is not so clear cut and both have significant pro&#8217;s and con&#8217;s that need to be fit with each individual&#8217;s situation.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Hanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Hanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Erica

A great article.........

That is why owning a house in the Netherlands is NOT part of the Dutch dream. Being in debt as a society is NOT financial freedom

Home ownership is an expense not an investment.....Renting is much more in line with financial freedom. I also have rented and owned property in Canada and USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Erica</p>
<p>A great article&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>That is why owning a house in the Netherlands is NOT part of the Dutch dream. Being in debt as a society is NOT financial freedom</p>
<p>Home ownership is an expense not an investment&#8230;..Renting is much more in line with financial freedom. I also have rented and owned property in Canada and USA</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Erica, don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve seen this yet, but this NYT calculator was what talked me out of trying to buy a house in 2008.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/business/2007_BUYRENT_GRAPHIC.html

It basically told me that at the current market, if I were looking to buy a house as an investment, it would never turn a profit.

And I totally agree with your view of having complete freedom that you mentioned in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Erica, don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve seen this yet, but this NYT calculator was what talked me out of trying to buy a house in 2008.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/business/2007_BUYRENT_GRAPHIC.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/business/2007_BUYRENT_GRAPHIC.html</a></p>
<p>It basically told me that at the current market, if I were looking to buy a house as an investment, it would never turn a profit.</p>
<p>And I totally agree with your view of having complete freedom that you mentioned in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles J Gervasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles J Gervasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your figures are right on the money regarding the housing anomaly.  By dumb luck I bought a house in 2000.  It doubled in value and as my incentive options became worthless.  I sold the house for double (dumb luck) in fall of 2004 and have rented every since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your figures are right on the money regarding the housing anomaly.  By dumb luck I bought a house in 2000.  It doubled in value and as my incentive options became worthless.  I sold the house for double (dumb luck) in fall of 2004 and have rented every since.</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good logic, but your maintenance number doesn&#039;t make sense, I respectfully submit.

If you&#039;re saying house prices are too high and should come down to the point where it would make sense for landlords (which I agree with) then you&#039;re house should be valued at say $300,000.

So instead of 1% of the bogus $500,000 figure, you should take 1% of the $300,000.

I realize it&#039;s all about finger in the air, but the $2000 difference compounded for 20 years at 10% will add up to something.

But in general I agree - and rent. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good logic, but your maintenance number doesn&#8217;t make sense, I respectfully submit.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re saying house prices are too high and should come down to the point where it would make sense for landlords (which I agree with) then you&#8217;re house should be valued at say $300,000.</p>
<p>So instead of 1% of the bogus $500,000 figure, you should take 1% of the $300,000.</p>
<p>I realize it&#8217;s all about finger in the air, but the $2000 difference compounded for 20 years at 10% will add up to something.</p>
<p>But in general I agree &#8211; and rent. <img src='http://www.erica.biz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, rents seem to be coming down too.  I was amazed when I found this for $1650, but there are about a zillion condos on the market, and that are even still coming on line the Westside areas of LA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, rents seem to be coming down too.  I was amazed when I found this for $1650, but there are about a zillion condos on the market, and that are even still coming on line the Westside areas of LA.</p>
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