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	<title>Comments on: Geeks and &#8220;Idea People&#8221; Don&#8217;t Mix</title>
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	<description>Erica Douglass, "temporarily retired" after selling a successful business at age 26, writes thought-provoking blog entries challenging you to change your life and daring you to become more successful.</description>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.erica.biz/2005/geeks-and-idea-people-dont-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-3869</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with some of the other comments that there are those people everywhere, to a point. I will, however, also agree with you in that lot of the vocal "hardcore geeks" will shoot down a lot of ideas, altho I propose thats because they are embittered because they have had their own ideas shot down, after allt he best bullies are the ones that were bullied themselves :). I agree tho about J. Random geek being mostly unable to define what a market segment even is :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with some of the other comments that there are those people everywhere, to a point. I will, however, also agree with you in that lot of the vocal &#8220;hardcore geeks&#8221; will shoot down a lot of ideas, altho I propose thats because they are embittered because they have had their own ideas shot down, after allt he best bullies are the ones that were bullied themselves :). I agree tho about J. Random geek being mostly unable to define what a market segment even is :p</p>
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		<title>By: Prostetnic Vogon Geltz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prostetnic Vogon Geltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world certainly has its share of negative nay-sayers.  My own rule for working with people is, if I must shoot down ideas, provide alternatives.  Provide constructive criticism, not just criticism.  I hold myself and my colleagues to that.

Another problem is that geeks and engineers are too often managed by people who have plenty of ideas but no judgement.  Judgement comes from years of education and experience, and is what allows you to accurately evaluate which ideas are worth spending valuable time and resources on.  It's the Pointy-Haired-Boss syndrome.  There's nothing better than working for a boss who was first a good techie, or working for a boss who hires good techies and then listens to and trusts their judgement.  That's just not very common these days, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world certainly has its share of negative nay-sayers.  My own rule for working with people is, if I must shoot down ideas, provide alternatives.  Provide constructive criticism, not just criticism.  I hold myself and my colleagues to that.</p>
<p>Another problem is that geeks and engineers are too often managed by people who have plenty of ideas but no judgement.  Judgement comes from years of education and experience, and is what allows you to accurately evaluate which ideas are worth spending valuable time and resources on.  It&#8217;s the Pointy-Haired-Boss syndrome.  There&#8217;s nothing better than working for a boss who was first a good techie, or working for a boss who hires good techies and then listens to and trusts their judgement.  That&#8217;s just not very common these days, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Medicated Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medicated Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 18:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;"Idea" People&lt;/strong&gt;
Erica rants a little bit about the disconnect between "idea people" and geeks. Umm... Word. No kidding. Entrepreneurship is tough. There are plenty of nay-sayers. But this isn't a bad thing. Those of us with ideas (and I haven't had a good one in a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Idea&#8221; People</strong><br />
Erica rants a little bit about the disconnect between &#8220;idea people&#8221; and geeks. Umm&#8230; Word. No kidding. Entrepreneurship is tough. There are plenty of nay-sayers. But this isn&#8217;t a bad thing. Those of us with ideas (and I haven&#8217;t had a good one in a&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: William Ferrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Ferrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 17:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to go against the comment stream here a bit, I have to agree with the original post. It's not just "geeks," though -- there are lots of people in ALL walks of life who seem to exist just to shoot down ideas. I'm sorry to disagree with the other commenters here, but geeks are among the worst for this. I know Slashdot's not the best barometer for geek behavior (because the more "sane" geeks either just lurk, post rarely, or don't even visit the site) but look at ANY "Ask Slashdot" article. Any question asked there gets three types of responses, listed here in decreasing order of likelihood: 1) "That's a stupid idea, it won't work." 2) "Why would you want to do THAT? Are you stupid?" 3) "Oh, I've done that, here's how you do it ..."

I.e. lots of nay-saying and the occasional helpful answer.

Geeks are good at what they do for the most part, but they're just as guilty as any other "segment" of humanity of thinking inside the box. Some folks are jealous they didn't think of an idea first, so they shoot down anything that's clever they didn't come up with. Others are just afraid to get into anything they can't morph to fit their view of the universe.

I haven't figured out whether I'm more a geek or an idea person. It could be that I'm both. I've experienced plenty of "that's a stupid idea" with my software project CORE; the first people I talked to at IBI about it in December were both geeks who thought it was a stillborn idea with no potential. Even my partner who's developing it with me thinks it's a great idea but has no concept how it could ever be used to make money(!), so in a way, he's shooting it in the head before it leaves the gate too.

People are just afraid of good ideas sometimes. It's threatening to see other people coming up with brilliant stuff when you don't have anything of your own, or even when you do but don't know how to get it off the ground.

The real successful people out there *don't* automatically say "no" to every clever idea. Instead, they figure out which ones are worth the effort, and they dive in, leaving the other ideas alone for someone else to pick up and run with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to go against the comment stream here a bit, I have to agree with the original post. It&#8217;s not just &#8220;geeks,&#8221; though &#8212; there are lots of people in ALL walks of life who seem to exist just to shoot down ideas. I&#8217;m sorry to disagree with the other commenters here, but geeks are among the worst for this. I know Slashdot&#8217;s not the best barometer for geek behavior (because the more &#8220;sane&#8221; geeks either just lurk, post rarely, or don&#8217;t even visit the site) but look at ANY &#8220;Ask Slashdot&#8221; article. Any question asked there gets three types of responses, listed here in decreasing order of likelihood: 1) &#8220;That&#8217;s a stupid idea, it won&#8217;t work.&#8221; 2) &#8220;Why would you want to do THAT? Are you stupid?&#8221; 3) &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;ve done that, here&#8217;s how you do it &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I.e. lots of nay-saying and the occasional helpful answer.</p>
<p>Geeks are good at what they do for the most part, but they&#8217;re just as guilty as any other &#8220;segment&#8221; of humanity of thinking inside the box. Some folks are jealous they didn&#8217;t think of an idea first, so they shoot down anything that&#8217;s clever they didn&#8217;t come up with. Others are just afraid to get into anything they can&#8217;t morph to fit their view of the universe.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t figured out whether I&#8217;m more a geek or an idea person. It could be that I&#8217;m both. I&#8217;ve experienced plenty of &#8220;that&#8217;s a stupid idea&#8221; with my software project CORE; the first people I talked to at IBI about it in December were both geeks who thought it was a stillborn idea with no potential. Even my partner who&#8217;s developing it with me thinks it&#8217;s a great idea but has no concept how it could ever be used to make money(!), so in a way, he&#8217;s shooting it in the head before it leaves the gate too.</p>
<p>People are just afraid of good ideas sometimes. It&#8217;s threatening to see other people coming up with brilliant stuff when you don&#8217;t have anything of your own, or even when you do but don&#8217;t know how to get it off the ground.</p>
<p>The real successful people out there *don&#8217;t* automatically say &#8220;no&#8221; to every clever idea. Instead, they figure out which ones are worth the effort, and they dive in, leaving the other ideas alone for someone else to pick up and run with.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 01:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"No wireless.  Less space than a nomad.  Lame."  

Ahh... brings back memories... (see http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22940&#038;cid=2467264 )  I ordered my 5GB iPod the day it was announced and have loved it ever since.  Particularly because it has the awesome spinning wheel.

So ideas do matter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No wireless.  Less space than a nomad.  Lame.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Ahh&#8230; brings back memories&#8230; (see <a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22940&#038;cid=2467264" rel="nofollow">http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22940&#038;cid=2467264</a> )  I ordered my 5GB iPod the day it was announced and have loved it ever since.  Particularly because it has the awesome spinning wheel.</p>
<p>So ideas do matter!</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 01:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"No wireless.  Less space than a nomad.  Lame."  

Ahh... brings back &lt;a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22940&#038;cid=2467264"&gt;memories...&lt;/a&gt;  I ordered my 5GB iPod the day it was announced and have loved it ever since.  Particularly because it has the awesome spinning wheel.

So ideas do matter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No wireless.  Less space than a nomad.  Lame.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Ahh&#8230; brings back <a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22940&#038;cid=2467264">memories&#8230;</a>  I ordered my 5GB iPod the day it was announced and have loved it ever since.  Particularly because it has the awesome spinning wheel.</p>
<p>So ideas do matter!</p>
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		<title>By: Outland Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outland Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 19:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So.. just to summarize a bit more, there are "hardware linux geeks" who are passionate, energetic, and optimisitic. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So.. just to summarize a bit more, there are &#8220;hardware linux geeks&#8221; who are passionate, energetic, and optimisitic. <img src='http://www.erica.biz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Outland Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outland Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 19:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was slightly put off by the blanket categorization... Although I know that many people on both sides do fit into these categories, and I can certainly understand your particular situation!

My own experience is that I considera myself an idea person who cannot resist self-teaching myself all kinds of technical skills and digging deep into specific research. In my current employment it is a constant challenge to be accepted both as an engineer and invited to the table where product and business ideas are discussed.

I am a strong idea person, with technical skills, who might not be the most natural people-manager. I know there's room for people like this in the world, but it can sometimes be difficult to break free of stereotypes in the corporate world. Consulting practice is a more natural fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was slightly put off by the blanket categorization&#8230; Although I know that many people on both sides do fit into these categories, and I can certainly understand your particular situation!</p>
<p>My own experience is that I considera myself an idea person who cannot resist self-teaching myself all kinds of technical skills and digging deep into specific research. In my current employment it is a constant challenge to be accepted both as an engineer and invited to the table where product and business ideas are discussed.</p>
<p>I am a strong idea person, with technical skills, who might not be the most natural people-manager. I know there&#8217;s room for people like this in the world, but it can sometimes be difficult to break free of stereotypes in the corporate world. Consulting practice is a more natural fit.</p>
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		<title>By: kesuki</title>
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		<dc:creator>kesuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 19:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a geek with a negative personality, but I don't go around shooting other peoples ideas down, my negativity tends to focus on myself... not on others.  If someone else didnt beat me to the punch I would have been one of the people posting "I, for one, welcome our new apple overlords" in the discussion about the ipods ;)  I had been waiting and waiting for a hard drive based mp3 player to 'break into' the mainstream market and all the hardcore geek design ones failed to impress the 'mass market' consumer the way the ipod did/does..

Any good idea can be ruined by a lack of proper execution, it's not just narrowing down the good ideas, so much as narrowing down the good ideas that you can actually implement... I really don't like 'dragging' people down with me, It's not fun nor is it enjoyable to see other people becoming miserable because you're around. Some highly negative geeks like to make other people suffer, that's why they're called trolls ;)  They are a rare breed, but unfortunately, not rare enough... 

Also, I think most of the worst trolls out there don't even run linux ;) they pirate windows instead..  So maybe you over estimate the geek population that runs linux/*bsd etc etal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a geek with a negative personality, but I don&#8217;t go around shooting other peoples ideas down, my negativity tends to focus on myself&#8230; not on others.  If someone else didnt beat me to the punch I would have been one of the people posting &#8220;I, for one, welcome our new apple overlords&#8221; in the discussion about the ipods <img src='http://www.erica.biz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I had been waiting and waiting for a hard drive based mp3 player to &#8216;break into&#8217; the mainstream market and all the hardcore geek design ones failed to impress the &#8216;mass market&#8217; consumer the way the ipod did/does..</p>
<p>Any good idea can be ruined by a lack of proper execution, it&#8217;s not just narrowing down the good ideas, so much as narrowing down the good ideas that you can actually implement&#8230; I really don&#8217;t like &#8216;dragging&#8217; people down with me, It&#8217;s not fun nor is it enjoyable to see other people becoming miserable because you&#8217;re around. Some highly negative geeks like to make other people suffer, that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re called trolls <img src='http://www.erica.biz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  They are a rare breed, but unfortunately, not rare enough&#8230; </p>
<p>Also, I think most of the worst trolls out there don&#8217;t even run linux <img src='http://www.erica.biz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> they pirate windows instead..  So maybe you over estimate the geek population that runs linux/*bsd etc etal.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 19:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I run multiple OSes on various hardware platforms (Linux and Win32 on x86), yet I love to see new ideas come around.  There are plenty of idea-friendly Linux geeks out there, trust me.  I for one, welcomed my new alien master, erm, the iPod, when it was introduced over 4 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I run multiple OSes on various hardware platforms (Linux and Win32 on x86), yet I love to see new ideas come around.  There are plenty of idea-friendly Linux geeks out there, trust me.  I for one, welcomed my new alien master, erm, the iPod, when it was introduced over 4 years ago.</p>
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